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You have to compare the same plant with a similar growing region to make a fair comparison of a plant. My growing region of zone 10 will show completely different growth habit compared to even an 8. My 2 Evelyns stay about the same as my AD but you have to also realize they are on Fortuniana rootstock so not the same animal as a plant on it's own root. Rootstocks change plants entirely more then anything else in the equation.
It is all very interesting in all ways. Evelyn grown in zone 10a is 1,853 miles from the equator so the colors I have on my plants will not be the same either. I am from Plainfield Il originally. All the tomatoes I grew up there taste different then they do down here as well. Soil and climate change things altogether! I definitely saw it firsthand when getting here in 1990.
Where do you live Sharon? Felicia can also be added to the list. Katerina zeimet is a small bush and Climbing clotilde soupert is a beautiful rose although some report balling. I will add that Peggy martin And ghislaine de feligand As well as raspberry cream twirl Are also great roses. Let's not forget madame Alfred carrier. You can add your zone and location to your name. You might also consider adding this to the regular rose form and antique rose form for more replies but I think you've gotten pretty good feedback here. Just now realized this is a really old post but great information in any case. Probably why raspberry clean cream twirl wasn't included in the list! LOL!
On the other side, I absolutely LOVE Crazy Love! I find that mine is a steady if not profuse bloomer, with a little shut down in the heat like a lot of my roses. When it blooms, it blooms all over with those big fat striped blooms in lasting color that stay on the bush a long time. I agree that it's big - mine is fairly tall and narrow at about 5' tall by no more than 2' wide. Think the size of Poseidon in a colder zone. John's experience may be more like yours in PNW.
Cynthia
Judi my Crazy Love is own root from Heirloom. I actually avoid grafted Kordes for the most part because I think they are vigorous enough in their own roots here. ( earth angel is the only one that does much better grafted for me)
Here is my Adobe Sunrise this afternoon. The second flush is a lot more orange than the salmony tones of the first.
I have been batting chili thrips for years. Initially, I thought it was just heat and humidity causing small brown blooms, brown growth and the puckering and bronzing you see on the leaves. They are just so hot and dry looking with all the brown. A friend pointed out what it was, and they were definitely correct. I cut and bagged all the growth and sprayed everything with Captain Jack's and did that probably 10-14 days apart several times. What I found is that it DEFINITELY works, but they ALWAYS come back. When the weather cools down, their numbers decrease naturally and late fall, winter (I'm zone 9a with milld winters) and spring always give me quite lovely blooms without intervention. My local friend who sprays much more religiously appears to have developed spinosad resistance in her chili thrips and had a much worse case over time than I did. I decided to go the other route and buy beneficials, minute pirate bugs, lace wings, lady bugs, even a couple praying mantis for fun - and it really seemed to help more in the long run than the spinosad. I did do a second round of minute pirate bugs 30 days after the first application. I'm hoping to use dormant oil for any over wintering thrips this spring, and then additional minute pirate bugs. I believe I bought them around "Earth Day" in April and they were running a promotion with a discount. My state of mind now, is that they are here to stay and likely will not be eradicated, the chemicals require constant respraying which is not ideal and they can become resistant anyways, - so I am just accepting them and pivoting to other flowering plants in the absolute heat of the summer when roses look less ideal anyway due to temps.
Year ago I bought a rose from HR and it did the same thing as yours but my other roses from HR did well... So? I'd have em planted before the UPS truck drove away...lol...
I had a rose plant sit there and fade to yellow and brown that I figured was too wet and slightly over potted and hence rotted I think. This was in cool weather. This had not happened before to me. I over watered it I guess.
I definitely agree we have very different climates, Dianela, and your plants should not need hand watering I see now.
Dianela,
ROOT ROT, due to root shock. No matter how carefully from a container a young rose bush is removed, the limited root system gets shocked, especially if the container sides that supported the growing medium are gone. In its place is a plastic bag which allows the roots to become disarranged. Then the jostling that occurs during shipping causes the entire root system to be further disturbed. The fine feeder roots are broken. What comes next is when planted, such a stressed root mass is destroyed by simple good old watering. It cannot take up moisture properly, root rot starts immediately, and the rose dies from its roots up.
Sorry for this happening to your roses, Dianela.
I just cannot figure Heirloom Roses out. The same thing happened to me last year with my Madame Anisette. The rose came in a bag with a zip tie loosely fastened, enough to be able to put two fingers through, and the poor thing was just about separated from its rooting medium. However, it did not die, fortunately, but lost a whole year recovering. It died to the ground over winter but a couple little shoots emerged at ground level in May. At this time it is about 20" tall, essentially the same size it was at the same time last year, although now growing nicely. It even bloomed with two adjacent small blooms earlier. I hope it takes off next year.
Contact Heirloom, and stand your ground. I'm with you!
Moses.
Jude the Obscure
Thanks, Caroline. :) :)
RoseParis - I love glossy foliage!! Thanks for the info on Hot Chocolate. :)
OH, Diane!! You know I swoon over your Jude the Obscure!!! There's nothing like your Jude blooms!!! SWOOOON!! Your first picture blew me away!
Straw - I lost my multiflora grafted Pink Peace to Downy Mildew, but I adored my PP. The fragrance, to me, is Fruit Loops. :) I bought one that was own root this year, and it has PM and looks unhealthy. I don't think I'll keep it as there are better roses I can get. But if I find one that's grafted on multiflora, I'd get it in a heartbeat. Mine was about 8 years old, and I loved it. Mine was bulletproof, but due to problems, most of my roses got DM. Was your PP grafted on multiflora? Oh, I love the close-up of your WS2000!! The color is glorious!! I love your last picture...Evelyn!!! So dreamy!!
@Rose Paris thanks for the tip on St Cecelia placement. Now I know I'm on the right track.
@Diane Brakefield I've never seen a more perfect Jude than yours
@strawchicago z5 my Eglantyne has nice fragrance but it doesn't knock my socks off, although I don't have anything to compare it to. I'd love to smell an older plant for comparison. Also, I believe that my Eglantynes are own root.
I have it, but it is young. I ordered her from Spring Hill Nursery, believe it or not, and I received a wonderful Grade 1 Weeks plant from them. This is her first growing season. Absolutely love the fragrance. Colour tends to a rich, saturated pink with lavender and blueing pink around the edges. Seems vigorous if short so far, but winter hardiness and rebound will be key. Some black spot, but not nearly as bad as expected.
It's odd; I've taken no pictures of the blooms or plant!
Steven
I finally have some (very late) end of season pictures of Sweet Madame Blue.
I find her colour might tend more purple if cut ahead and brought indoors (at least in autumn here) and is more of that rose madder, magenta crimson intensity outdoors, even in autumn. The second image I had to tweak to make it look accurate as to the eye seeing it, but the other photo is also eye-accurate (at least to my eyes/device combination). The indoor, edited photo was of a bloom cut just as the guard petals began to unfurl.
Steven
We just had a few days of 90 degree heat, and Sweet Madame Blue burnt to a crisp again—even though I moved her to a cooler spot this season. Her nextdoor neighbors, Life of the Party and Quicksilver, took the heat much better. Violet’s Pride enjoys slightly more shade, but also performed better. Here’s the photographic evidence. First photo is SMB, then VP, then LOTP, then Quicksilver.
Brendan - it sure is photogenic!
Straw - There is no way I would call that gorgeous rose bush boring!!! The petals are stunning and I love the color too!! This is Beautiful...not boring... IMHO. :) :)